Wednesday, August 4

Was the Earth Created in Six Literal Days?

Many people who have looked at what the scriptures indicate, including myself, and many scholars and scientists, come to a conclusion: That the Bible clearly teaches that God created the Earth in Six, Literal Days. (Picture credit to: AnswersInGenesis.com)

When Creationists are usually asked that question, that's where the conversation ends. The intention of this entry is to go a little deeper, find out what the Word of God has to say about the six days of creation, what science can tell us, and what we can calculate.

So let us look at several different reasons to believe the age of the Earth and the context of "six days." (Partial Credit to Ken Ham) 1) The Bible clearly tells us and teaches us that God created the Universe in six literal, 24-Hour days, only about 6,000 Years ago. If the Old Testament ever refers to a "day," but means something else, it shows it in the context. Genesis 1 does not, it refers to a literal day.

2) The Context of Genesis 1 clearly shows us that the days of creation were literal days. "Yom," the Hebrew word for Day, is first defined in Genesis 1:4-5 as a light/dark-day/night cycle, evening and morning. 3) The genealogies that we find in Genesis 5 and Genesis 11 clearly indicate that the creation days happened around 6,000 Years ago. Abraham lived ca.2000 BC, and if you calculate the ages given in Genesis up to Abraham, taking the last 2010 years also into account, you wind up with a little over 6,000 Years.

Also, by using genealogies and theology from the time, the Irish Archbishop, James Ussher (1581-1656) calculated the creation of the Earth to be around 4004 BC. For a long time, this was the accepted date, although in modern times, Scientists, (with little to back them up on it), guess that the Earth is Millions of Years Old. Later on, the Archbishop elaborated with a date for creation: October 23, 4004 BC, the date on which the Jewish New Year (Yom Kippur) occurred during that particular year.

The word, "day" is used 2,301 times in the Old Testament. So if the word, "day" is mentioned throughout the entire Old Testament, why is it that Genesis is the only book questioned and scrutinized? 

4) In Exodus 9:9-10, God tells the Israelites that for six days they will work, and rest on the seventh, and refers to them as literal days. He then proceeds to mention that the days of creation were literal days. Exodus 20:11 refutes the claim of millions of years. "For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested in the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy."

5) Noah's Flood "washes away" the theory of millions of years. (Genesis 6-9) The evidence for Noah's Ark and the flood is at best, overwhelming. Those who refuse to accept God will not look at the evidence. The year-long Flood is responsible for most rock layers and fossils (See entry: Dinosaurs of the Bible), and since this is so, then those fossils cannot represent the history of the world over a period of Millions of Years, as those who subscribe to Evolution claim.

6) Jesus himself was a "Young-Earth Creationist." Constantly, Jesus treated the miracles and wonders of the Old Testament as truthful, factual, historical accounts. (Creation of Adam, Noah's Ark and the Flood, Jonah in the Fish, Moses and Manna, Lot and his wife in Sodom, etc.) Jesus affirms the authority and truth of the scriptures several times. (Matthew 15:1-9) Mark 10:6 says, (though not the only statement of this kind by Jesus) "But in the beginning of creation, God made them male and female."

He did not say, but billions or thousands of years later, God created Adam and Eve. He said, "at the beginning of creation." If Jesus himself knew the Earth to be so Young, then why do his faithful followers have a different view than he? (See also: How Do We Know the 66 Books in the Bible Are the Right Books?)

7) The idea that the Earth is millions of years old does not come from scientific fact. It was developed by deistic and atheistic geologists in the late 18th/early 19th centuries. These geologists used anti-biblical assumptions to interpret finds in such a way that it clearly contradicted the Word of God - the biblical account of the creation, the Flood, and the age of the Earth. Many churches and scholars use the idea of "deep time" to explain away millions of years, but the idea of deep time comes from assumptions, not scientific observations. Millions of years is only a guess by scientists.

8) Radiometric dating methods certainly do not prove that the Earth is Millions of Years Old. Developed in the early 20th Century, most of the world had already accepted the guesses and theories that the earth is millions of years old. However. There was a project called RATE, a recent project where they conducted experimental, theoretical, and field research to find more evidence.

In RATE, coal, which evolutionists claim to be millions of years old, was shown by carbon-14 to be a mere couple thousands of years old. Such experiments showed us that the decay rates, in the past, were orders of faster magnitude, which takes the millions of years and shrinks them to only a few thousand, proving the Bible.

While there are hundreds, if not thousands, of books out there that talk about this very subject, this is a brief skim off the surface of why the Earth was created in six literal days, not six weeks, years, or even 6,000 Years. When Christians claim that Evolution can fit in with God's plan, they are undermining the authority and truth of the scripture, of the character of God, of the doctrine of life and death, and of the foundation of the Bible itself.

If the first few chapters in Genesis are not literal history, then our faith in the entire Bible is shaken, including the teaching of salvation. To believe that death and sin could exist millions of years before Adam and Eve would completely take away the truth of the Bible, since death and sin did not enter the Universe until The Fall, which happened after Adam and Eve were created.

So I urge you, dear readers. Take a close look at what the Word of God has to say, and what the truth tells us. I would recommend "The New Answers" creation series, by Ken Ham, which goes in-depth about Creation, Evolution, Noah's Ark, and many other relevant topics. if you have not looked at the evidence for yourself, you would be missing out.

Overall, the Bible seems clear in the fact that God created the universe in six, literal days, and that Earth is at least 6,000 Years Old, but whether we know the specific day, month, or year, we may not know until we see the LORD - but we can still calculate thanks to genealogy and archaeology that proves the existence of Biblical Figures, allowing us to see when these men and women were alive, which gives us dates for those such as Abraham, allowing us even clearer calculations.

Thank you for taking the time to read this entry of "The Truth." I trust that the intention to show that God created the Heavens (Outer Space) and the Earth in Six Literal Days came across. Take Care, Reader, and May God Bless You. Troy Hillman (email: vexx801, facebook)

28 comments:

  1. After a trip to the grand canyon this week & being inundated with explanations of how old each layer of the canyon was...billions of years old! ... Our family being Christian entered into quite a discussion of how this could be in light of what the bible says... Thank you for laying truth out so clearly & for doing all the homework for us! Wish I could have left a stack of this blog article next to all the "scientific" fliers they were handing out there! And our week started out at the zoo hearing a little girl point to an animal & call it her ancestor! What a deceived world...thank you for crusading for truth!

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  2. Thank you for your comment! I am glad to hear that you were able to glean much from this entry, it is for this reason that I write. There are a few other articles you may enjoy, some related to the Flood and age of the earth, specifically the Evidence for a Young Creation series. It saddens me to see and hear of such things. Satan certainly has a grip upon the world, but Christ is still in the world, and in Him is life. The Truth Ministries seeks to promote the truth utilizing God's Word, evidence, the like. Thanks again, take care, and May God bless!

    -Troy Hillman-

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  3. Dear Troy,

    i think you may need to check the below article, it explains Genesis story in different manner that fit much more with Science:

    http://debatewithatheist.blogspot.com/2011/02/story-of-creation-3-earth-formation-in.html

    Scientists will never accept the 7000 years period..
    regards,

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  4. Abdallah,
    Thank you for your input. To be candid, however, your statement is fallacious. You say, "it explains [the] Genesis story in [a] different manner that fit[s] much more with Science."

    That's a fallacy. Science is only what is testable, repeatable, observable. The methods used for millions/billions of years are terribly unreliable at best, and it is all based on assumptions. Though I could get into the contradictory nature of citing both the Quran and the Bible as if they are describing the same, showing the many contradictions between the Qu'ran and the Bible and proving that no, the Bible has not changed over time, it is important to note that the Bible seems to postulate a 6015 year old universe, not 7000.

    Trying to fit millions or billions of years into the Qu'ran or the Bible contradicts both works, and ignores the plethora of evidence for a young universe. Despite the alleged facts quoted in the article, I have heard of those before, and there are simple answers to those. For instance, it is public knowledge that both Evolutionists and Creationists disagree that the moon dust/rocks should be used for dating, since there are too many factors to consider.

    Despite the fact the Qu'ran claims a six day creation and elsewhere a eight day creation (I own a copy, I've examined it and tried to reconcile, I could not), along with other issues in the text, the article, as aforementioned, ignores the myriad of young earth evidence.

    If one can eliminate all evidence for a Young Creation, then perhaps an old creation could be considered. But an old creation contradicts both the Bible and the Qu'ran.
    http://thetruth-blog.blogspot.com/2010/12/evidence-for-young-creation-part-one.html
    answersingenesis.org
    icr.org
    drdino.com
    creation.com

    God bless,
    Troy Hillman
    PS - If I came off in a negative sense, that was not the intention, I was merely making a few points.

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  5. Also, you say that Scientists will never accept a young creation. I know several scientists who have. Most secular scientists may not, but there are many scientists who have, and will continue to do so. Not all are necessarily Christian, either.
    -Troy Hillman-

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  6. Dear Troy,

    I didn’t receive a notification about your reply, but today I passed by your site and see that you comment on my article, so please allow to me to explain the following:

    It’s clear in Quran, that Youm “Day” does NOT mean an Earth day and it’s whether a speed or time or even a distance all measured by “Day”, and the following verses show that clearly:

    A- Speed of spirit and Angels:

    He directeth the ordinance from the heaven unto the earth; then it ascendeth unto Him in a Day, whereof the measure is a thousand years of that ye reckon. [32:5]

    B- Distance between Universes:

    (Whereby) the angels and the Spirit ascend unto Him in a Day whereof the span is fifty thousand years. [70:4]

    C- Time Duration of Creation, which all mention the number of 6 days only:

    Lo! your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days, then mounted He the Throne. He covereth the night with the day, which is in haste to follow it, and hath made the sun and the moon and the stars subservient by His command. His verily is all creation and commandment. Blessed be Allah, the Lord of the Worlds! [7:54]

    Lo! your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days, then He established Himself upon the Throne, directing all things. There is no intercessor (with Him) save after His permission. That is Allah, your Lord, so worship Him. Oh, will ye not remind? [10:3]

    And He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days - and His Throne was upon the water - that He might try you, which of you is best in conduct. Yet if thou (O Muhammad) sayest: Lo! ye will be raised again after death! those who disbelieve will surely say: This is naught but mere magic. [11:7]

    Who created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them in six Days, then He mounted the Throne. The Beneficent! Ask anyone informed concerning Him! [25:95]

    Allah it is Who created the heavens and the earth, and that which is between them, in six Days. Then He mounted the Throne. Ye have not, beside Him, a protecting friend or mediator. Will ye not then remember? [32:4]

    And verily We created the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, in six Days, and naught of weariness touched Us. [50:38]
    He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days; then He mounted the Throne. He knoweth all that entereth the earth and all that emergeth therefrom and all that cometh down from the sky and all that ascendeth therein; and He is with you wheresoever ye may be. And Allah is Seer of what ye do. --[57:4]
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  7. (2/2)

    About the 8 days mentioned in Quran, it’s different story and they were real 8 “Earth” days of Sand storm on A’ad people till they and their city were all covered, and this because they refused the call of their prophet, ALLAH says:

    Which He imposed on them for seven long nights and eight long days so that thou mightest have seen men lying overthrown, as they were hollow trunks of palm-trees. [69:7]

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    About Quran and Bible science contradictions, I am really sure that you may know that Bible is not all Word of God and it’s a collection of sacred scriptures, poems, stories, history, messages, etc…

    And it was really changed during history due to losing the original copies many times during wars between Jews and Persians, Jews and Romans, and also because of the translation between different languages..

    In other hand, Quran is still reserved as it is, in the same original language that it was revealed to prophet Muhammad (PBUH)..

    Because of this, during the interpretation of Quran, we took any of the Synonyms that fit that meaning and match between science and the Quranic verse explanation.

    But for Bible, you took the common meaning of the word, such as:

    - Water could be Fluid, could be Sea, could be ocean or rain, as common between all this water, or fluidity..

    - Similar to firmament it could be separator or crust as it’s referring to Earth creation..

    You can do a simple exercise on Google translator or other on-line or manual dictionary, and try to put a basic word like “Water” or “Air” or whatever, and translate it from English to French to German then to English again, and took one of the meanings randomly each time then translate it to another language, you will be astonished that you will never get the original word ever.

    Similarly could happen to Bible, where original word could be written in Hebrew, then translated to Aramaic, then to Greek, or Latin then to old English, so how do you think that you may get the original word ever, it’s mostly impossible..

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    About the day explanation in Quran and Bible,
    You know and you may believe too, the GOD is the resource of all sciences and he is the greatest Scientist ever and he is the All-knower..

    Therefore, there mustn’t be any contradiction between Science and his holy book, unless we are not understanding his words correctly..

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    About the days equal to billions of years; if Science says that our universe is almost 14 billion years, and in our religious resources, we know that we crossed slightly the 7 Universal days, then simply means that the day he mentioned in Quran or Bible is meant to be 14 / 7 = 2 billion year for each day ..

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    About religious contradiction between Bible and Quran, we don’t believe that such contradiction in God’s Original word, but by corruption of God’s word that happened on bible manually coping during the continuous conflict around Jesus Nature in the first centuries of Christianity and I think such debate still exist till now, and you know more than me that you have thousands of original copies of Bible that never match each others, surely you will find many errors or discrepancies between them all.

    Regards,

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  8. Abdallah,
    Thank you for your long replies. Allowed me to review the copy I own the of the Qu'ran. However, a few things. First off, as aforementioned, the "evidence" used to date the Universe at 13.7 billion years and the Earth at 4.5 billion is fallacious at best. The methods are unreliable. Did you get the chance to read any of the sites I posted? There is also much evidence (contrary to secular postulations) for a Young Universe. If indeed the universe is young, what then does that indicate?

    Having reviewed the passages you pointed out, I've still drawn the same conclusion: many point out in Psalms and in a letter of Peter that "a day with the Lord is like a thousand years." That's a comparative sentence, not an actual scientific fact. It's using -like, and the passage in Psalms uses the comparative -as. Point being, in the Qu'ran, I have not found a statement where it specifically says, "I created over thousands of years." If that was the case, and he knew the difference between thousands of years and a day, why then did not not put thousands of years each time the six days were mentioned?

    That last objection I have heard time and time again. Essentially, "The Bible has changed over time." It hasn't. I wrote an entry on that not too long ago. You can find that here: http://thetruth-blog.blogspot.com/2010/11/is-bible-reliable-has-it-been-altered.html

    This may also be of help in that area: http://www.icr.org/scripture/ , you can also try evidence4faith.com

    Overall, point is, Scripture hasn't changed. Yes, we have over 24,000 copies of the new Testament within a short time frame of their original writing. Why is that significant? Compared to Homer's works, we only have 7 copies. See entry I mentioned for further details, no use repeating what has already been written.

    Simply because one copy does not match the other does not make it corrupted. Was the original inspired? Yes, and I believe we agree on that. However, even if every single copy made only one error, you can still take all of the copies (a significant amount compared to other writings, mind you) and using comparative literature, determine what the original was by examining all copies as a whole. This method is used for many other ancient works, and scholars seem to have no issue using it.

    In regard to Islam. I respect that you believe much of what is found in the Bible. Until early last year when I began to examine the beliefs of Muslims, I hadn't known much about it. It surprised me that Adam and Eve, creation, Noah, Abraham, the birth of Jesus, etc. However, then I began to see some of the major differences.

    For one, Islam does not offer a solution to the sin problem. Even after good works abound, there is still no assurance of salvation, just a possibility. According to the Qu'ran, the Bible is to be used as a source as well, for Muslims. However, that the Bible changed over time is a tradition that developed, it is not in the Qu'ran.

    Point being, if you get the chance, please read over Psalm 14:1-3; Jeremiah 17:9; Romans 3:9-18; Exodus 15:11; 1 Samuel 2:2; Joshua 24:19; Psalm 93:5; Deuteronomy 25:16; Proverbs 6:16-19; Romans 10:9-10, and 1st John 1:9. Address a prayer to God, and ask him to "open [your] eyes to the wonders of [His] law." We agree, I believe, that the Bible ought to be read regardless of the stance taken. Please take a look at those passages.

    Thanks again for your reply, Abdallah. May God bless you.
    -Troy Hillman-

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  9. Dear Troy,

    It’s nice to debate with someone who’s educated and understanding like you, I am really enjoying, but still I am not getting notification for your replies and this what is delaying my replies..
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    About the dating of Earth of 4.5 bn and universe 13.7 bn,

    I never said that in my post, please if you can check it again, the universe had already crossed 14 billion years, actually we are now in the year of 14,000,001,379 since the starting of Creation !!

    And if you notice that Earth creation has started in the first 2 billion years where the crust has been formed.

    And I strongly oppose the idea of having the Earth of 4.5 billions only, which is totally incorrect and I am sure that aging method used is not accurate.
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    About young universe !!

    If you meant 7000 years only, I think you feel and your mind believe as I believe too, that it’s impossible to create all this in such short period, otherwise a mountain of 7000 meters height will raise 1 meter each year minimum !!

    Also, it’s illogical to create the universe so fast, then God will mostly do it all in less than 1 second, but GOD wants us really to discover it by science and by his laws (physics, chemical and biological laws) otherwise we won’t learn anything, and we must defend such false argument just to match it with the 7000 years statements ..
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    I already wrote a section about the explanation of 7000 years, that it doesn’t mean literally our 7000 Earth years and using 14 billion number in bible or Quran it was impossible and illogical since people have 1000 as their maximum number that times, they will reject it completely as they never experience such huge number ever in their daily life..

    Also, we are talking about universe creation when Earth and Sun were to be created and start to rotate around Sun, so how can you measure something that starts before Earth year, knowing that Earth cycle was not a one year long in the beginning, it was longer and was reduced till 365 days of 24 hours each..

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  10. About Bible corruption,

    Answering your question, if each copy has one error only, then we will have 24,000 errors in the 24,000 original copies, if this doesn’t mean corruption then what we call it !!

    I’ll give you just a sample, the following verses are the only 4 verses in all 4 Gospels where the word “Begotten Son” was mentioned , please check them in the new RSV bible, the word “Begotten” was omitted because it was not authentic and was not mentioned in the original copies, and you may know what word “begotten” is important in Christianity:

    John 1:14: And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
    RVS: [14] And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father.
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    John 1:18: No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
    RVS: [18] No one has ever seen God; the only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known.
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    John 3:16: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
    RVS: [16] For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
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    John 3:18: He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
    RVS: [18] He who believes in him is not condemned; he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
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    My friend, Quran is the final revelation from God to humanity through his prophet Muhammad (PBUH) similar to what was revealed to prophets before him, ALLAH says in Quran:

    Lo! We inspire thee as We inspired Noah and the prophets after him, as We inspired Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and as We imparted unto David the Psalms; [4:163]

    And since God is the one who revealed Quran, so he is the most knowing about those who corrupted his previous books and he said the following on the Quran as warning for those who committed such crime:

    Therefore woe be unto those who write the Scripture with their hands and then say, "This is from Allah," that they may purchase a small gain therewith. Woe unto them for that their hands have written, and woe unto them for that they earn thereby [2:79]
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  11. About Islam doesn’t have a solution for SIN !!
    If you meant Adam’s sin?

    Then, there is nothing called Adam’s sin that inherited to any of his children, SINs can’t be transferred from someone to other, similarly as Crimes, only who committed must be trailed or asked for his action..

    If you meant someone sins? YES, in Islam there is a solution, God says:

    “O son of Adam, if you asked and wished from me, I’ll forgive you what you’ve done and I won’t care..
    O Son of Adam, if your sins reached height of the Sky, then you asked me for forgiveness, I’ll forgive you..
    O Son of Adam, if you brought Sins of all Earth bags, and you met me (after death) and you don’t take partner with me (as god), I will give you them all of forgiveness”.

    9 - قال الله تعالى : يا ابن آدم إنك ما دعوتني ورجوتني غفرت لك على ما كان منك ، ولا أبالي ، يا ابن آدم لو بلغت ذنوبك عنان السماء ثم استغفرتني غفرت لك ، يا ابن آدم لو أتيتني بقراب الأرض خطايا ، ثم لقيتني لا تشرك بي شيئا لأتيتك بقرابها مغفرة
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    About possibility?

    Yes, if you meant as the entry of Heaven in the hereafter, because ALLAH is the only one who owns Heaven and hell, and no one can guarantee this as it’s in God’s hands only..
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    About Psalms prayers,

    If you like to read psalms songs, please read the following explanation about the Psalms 84 that talk about Valley of Makkah and compliment Muslims prayers, on the following:
    http://debatewithachristian.blogspot.com/
    Post titled:
    Q- How to prove the "Valley of Baca" in Psalms 84, means really the "Valley of Makkah"?
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    About reading the prayers and citations that you listed:

    Honestly, I didn’t read them all but honestly saying, really what we have in Quran is much beautiful and Rich than most of what is mentioned, I wish if you have the chance to read the following:

    Chapter 2: Al-Baqra: The Cow, which mostly reply on Jews and describe their stubborn against God’s messages and killing their prophets.

    Chapter 3 of Al- Emran, The Family of Mary, Jesus Mothers, and it’s mostly to reply on Christians beliefs.

    Chapter 5: Al-Maaeda, the last supper table that was asked by Jesus from God and was descended from heaven, also it’s mostly to reply on Christians beliefs..

    Chapter 19 of Marry, and it describes the birth of Jesus, and how the old Christians fought a lot about his birth nature, and how they changed their religion from God.
    You can read it on the following link in English:
    http://quran.com/19
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    About the prayer.

    I want to tell you about a very simple pray that I wish if you can read it once alone sincerely from your heart:

    “O who created the whole universe and who created me…
    I ask you alone without any partner..
    Guide me to the right path…
    And you is the Lord, the most merciful..
    Amen”
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    Note, I will check the other sites that you sent me soon.

    Regards,

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  12. Abdallah,
    "I never said that in my post, please if you can check it again, the universe had already crossed 14 billion years, actually we are now in the year of 14,000,001,379 since the starting of Creation !! And if you notice that Earth creation has started in the first 2 billion years where the crust has been formed. And I strongly oppose the idea of having the Earth of 4.5 billions only, which is totally incorrect and I am sure that aging method used is not accurate." - I apologize if I misunderstand, but you're using fallacious scientific methods... to argue against fallacious scientific methods. You state that the use incorrect dating methods, yet those same methods have led you to that conclusion. I do not recognize a old universe, and find that the evidence supports a young universe.

    "If you meant 7000 years only, I think you feel and your mind believe as I believe too, that it’s impossible to create all this in such short period, otherwise a mountain of 7000 meters height will raise 1 meter each year minimum!! Also, it’s illogical to create the universe so fast, then God will mostly do it all in less than 1 second, but GOD wants us really to discover it by science and by his laws (physics, chemical and biological laws) otherwise we won’t learn anything, and we must defend such false argument just to match it with the 7000 years statements..." - Neither Christian nor Muslim should ever make the statement that something is impossible for God. If God wanted to create in six, literal days, He could create in six, literal days, and rest on the seventh. Was Jonah in the whale for 3 billion years, or three days? Empirical science does not tell us the age of the universe. That is how we interpret the evidence - some with an old universe, others with a young.

    And again, I believe the universe is only about 6014 years old, not 7000. "Answering your question, if each copy has one error only, then we will have 24,000 errors in the 24,000 original copies, if this doesn’t mean corruption then what we call it !!" - We call it comparative literature, it's a technique used for many forms of ancient writing. The Greeks were meticulous in their copies, and if an error was made, they would scrap it and start all over again. The priests were also very careful. I did not say every single copy had an error, I was giving a scenario and placing the copies into that context.

    Did Muhammad ever perform any miracles to prove that he was truly God's prophet? Recall what God conveyed in Deuteronomy 13 and 18 about the requirements for prophets. "Therefore woe be unto those who write the Scripture with their hands and then say, "This is from Allah," that they may purchase a small gain therewith. Woe unto them for that their hands have written, and woe unto them for that they earn thereby [2:79]" - Regardless, this still does not explicitly state that the Old and New Testament are corrupt. That tradition came after Muhammad.

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  13. "If you meant Adam’s sin? Then, there is nothing called Adam’s sin that inherited to any of his children, SINs can’t be transferred from someone to other, similarly as Crimes, only who committed must be trailed or asked for his action.." - I meant the sins of each individual person. If I recall correctly, Muslims believe in the Ten Commandments. Each of has transgressed God's Law, regardless of their belief, and we are without excuse, the law is written on our heart. Having broken God's law, this necessitates a Savior, Jesus Christ. (See http://thetruth-blog.blogspot.com/2010/09/ten-commandments-have-we-followed-them.html about the 10 Commandments)

    "Yes, if you meant as the entry of Heaven in the hereafter, because ALLAH is the only one who owns Heaven and hell, and no one can guarantee this as it’s in God’s hands only..." - God is the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth, the sea and all that is in them. (Exodus 20:11) God wants us to have assurance of salvation, and mere works or good deeds cannot save us.

    As for the chapters on Jesus, I have already read those. Regarding that prayer, I appreciate it, sir, but I cannot discredit Jesus as Lord. Romans 10:9 conveys, "If you declare with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and if you believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved." 1st John 1:0 says, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."

    This may come off as an odd request. If you have never read the New Testament from Matthew-Revelation before, perhaps now is the time to do so. You believe it is corrupted, I believe historical evidence disallows for this possibility. Regarding the different translations, that is all they are: translations. Biblical scholars are constantly studying the Greek and Hebrew texts, searching the Scriptures. Not every Bible is a good translation, and this is true for the Qu'ran as well. I have an English copy of the Qu'ran and when I compare it to a different copy, it is different in many ways. That's merely the fault of the translation. The Bible doesn't change over time, the translation does.

    The reason that certain Bibles changed "Begotten Son" to "one and only Son" is because it was a better translation of the world. Jesus claimed to be God (for example, John 10:30, 13:13, etc), and proved it by His resurrection. Regardless of the arguments, the only explanation that agrees with all of the evidence surrounding the empty tomb is that Jesus Christ, God the Son, the Messiah, rose from the dead on the third day, fulfilling the Scriptures, and appeared to many over a period of 40 days before ascending into Heaven.

    If nothing else, I request that you read the book of John. Thank you for your time, sir. God bless you.
    -Troy Hillman-

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  14. Dear Troy,

    Hope you are not bored from our conversation, I ask O mighty God that to be fruitful and useful for both of us, I will try to reply in short:

    1- I didn’t use fallacies in my estimation, if our religious resources shows that we crossed the 7th day, and Science shows that big bang happened almost 14 billion years ago, why is it so difficult to understand that each Day is 14/7 = 2 billion years..

    All Christian scholars explain that each day of the 6 days which is called “Yaoum” in Arabic and Hebrew means period of time, and you estimate it as 1000 years, so why it’s correct to estimate it as 1000 years and not to estimate that each year by 2 million of actual years !! so you will have each day 2 billion years.

    2- I didn’t mean “impossible” on God (God forbidden and ask for his forgiveness), I meant scientifically otherwise we’ll see the mountains raising in front of our eyes, GOD creates the elements and set the laws and say: “To be, then it is”, but he wants to teach us all this science and knowledge, by observing and analyzing all this changes and to figure the perfect laws that he stated in this universe..

    ALLAH created Heaven and Hell in day 7th in less time than Earth, and both of them are most sophisticated and in complete different universal laws, whether in Heaven which will be the best ever that we can imagine, and in Hell that it will be the worst that we can ever imagine.

    If you still convinced by young creation although it’s against science and logic, and you refuse to accept the more practical answer that will solve a lot of scientific problems and correct many theories depending on correct explanation of Bible and Quran, then it’s your choice, I can’t convince you more..

    3- About the conditions for a new prophet, they are apply on prophet Muhammad including the prophecy of Deuteronomy 18, [The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken]

    I wish that you can read the explanation of these prophecies on the following, PLEASE PLEASE Read them, it’s very important:

    http://debatewithachristian.blogspot.com/2011/01/q-who-is-one-that-was-meant-in-mosses.html

    http://debatewithachristian.blogspot.com/2011/02/q-true-prophet-false-prophet-false.html

    http://debatewithachristian.blogspot.com/2011/01/q-what-is-correct-explanation-of-70.html
    on http://debatewithachristian.blogspot.com

    4- The difference in translations of Quran and Bible, it’s true, but the most essential difference that Original copy of the Quran by its original language is still exist in billions of copies all over the world, and read billions and billions of times every day by the muslims, but Bible has no original !!

    continued..

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    5- About “That tradition came after Muhammad”, this is the best statement in all discussion, it’s totally TRUE, but just ask yourself why??
    For one reason, because Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was mentioned in these copies and they have to change and burn all old copies to remove his name, otherwise all Christians will convert to Islam !!

    6- ALLAH is the Almighty God, and he is the Creator of Earth and Heavens, and this what I am inviting you to worship him, please check the following comparison that proves to you that:

    ALLAH is GOD the Creator, Not Jesus, NOT Buddha, NOT Krishna, on:

    http://debatewithmuslim.blogspot.com/2011/03/allah-is-only-god-who-is-worthy-to.html

    7- About the resurrection of Jesus after his crucifixion, PLEASE PLEASE read the following article and after that please answer if he was really dead or not dead:

    Q- Was Jesus Really Crucified?
    http://debatewithachristian.blogspot.com/2010/12/q-was-jesus-really-crucified.html

    8- About John 10:13, the story is really corrupted and if you want read it on Baranabas Gospel which is the most authentic Bible for Jesus Christ, the chapter 10 in John is actually from chapter number 156 to chapter #: 206 if you want to read the real story..

    If you don’t want to read all this, JUST please read about the Day of Judgment and Hell description from chapters 53 to 60, on Baranabas gospel, believe me it will be different experience for you..

    If you don’t have it, please download it for free from the following site:
    http://www.barnabas.net/

    Wish you good luck and I was happy to chat to you.

    Abdallah,

    Note, I will post our debate on my blog too.

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  16. Abdallah,
    Thanks again for your reply. I'll try to answer as best as possible, apologize for not getting back sooner, schedule's a bit hectic, this is the first free moment I've had.

    "...Science shows that big bang happened almost 14 billion years ago, why is it so difficult to understand that each Day is 14/7 = 2 billion years.." - I'll make this point once more only. Science has NOT shown that the big bang ever even occurred, the Big Bang is only a hypothesis, and the millions/billions of years are based on fallacious dating methods and assumptions that everything has gone on as it has since the beginning. Empirical science is what is testable, repeatable, and observable. No one was around to observe the beginning, save for God. We cannot test, nor can we repeat, the beginning of creation. And if the big bang did occur, then life is nothing more than random chance, not the product of an Intelligent Designer. There's also several scientific problems with the big bang hypothesis. See my entry: http://thetruth-blog.blogspot.com/2011/02/examining-big-bang.html

    "you estimate it as 1000 years, so why it’s correct to estimate it as 1000 years and not to estimate that each year by 2 million of actual years !! so you will have each day 2 billion years." - That's a premature assumption. I estimate "yom" in Genesis as a literal, 23 hour and 56 minute day, not 1000 years. The days in Genesis are six, literal, 23hr56min days. Genesis 1-2, Exodus 20:11, Exodus 31:17, Matthew 19:4-6, and Mark 10:6 are clear on this point. Again, was Jonah in the whale for three thousand years, or three days? If the text indicates a literal day, which Genesis clearly does, it means a literal day.

    "I didn’t mean “impossible” on God (God forbidden and ask for his forgiveness), I meant scientifically" - A young creation is not in any a scientific impossibility. It is rather a theological contradiction to assume that secular theories and Islam mesh. At the same time, you assume my God and your god are one and the same. They are not. Is there only one God? Yes, there is. However, God is like a pyramid: He is one, but has three sides, three personalities, if you will: Father, Spirit, Son.

    "If you still convinced by young creation although it’s against science and logic, and you refuse to accept the more practical answer that will solve a lot of scientific problems and correct many theories depending on correct explanation of Bible and Quran, then it’s your choice, I can’t convince you more.." - Again, it is NOT against science and logic. Show me why you think that way, or will you concede that your statement is based on your presuppositions, and not on fact? If I accepted an old earth, it would not solve any problems, it would only create more.

    As for point 3, I'm still unconvinced.

    "...[the] Original copy of the Quran by its original language is still exist in billions of copies all over the world, and read billions and billions of times every day by the muslims, but Bible has no original !" - Is this not a contradiction? Consider: "[the] original copy of the Quran... still exist[s]." Then you say, "in billions of copies all over the world." How is that any different? It is still just copies. If the Bible had no original, what was it copied from? And I think, to be candid, you are missing the point. The following quote may illustrate my point:

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  17. "There is more evidence for the Bible’s authenticity than for any literature of antiquity. Textual analysis begins with historical investigation, beginning with the latest documents and working backward. As evidence develops, the data is evaluated against other sources. The record is then checked for consistency of information, and the claims are analyzed as if it were a legal case, looking for credible testimony with cross-examination. There is an enormous amount of evidence for authenticity of the biblical manuscripts.

    The New Testament was written in first century A.D. There are some 20,000 manuscripts in existence. The earliest textual evidence we have was copied 100 years after the original. In contrast:

    Caesar’s Gallic Wars was written in the first century B.C. There are only 10 manuscripts in existence. The earliest textual evidence we have was copied 1,000 years after the original.
    Aristotle’s Poetics was written in the fourth century B.C. There are only 5 manuscripts in existence. The earliest textual evidence we have was copied 1,400 years after the original.

    There are many more writings of the Church Fathers quoting sections of Scripture; we could reconstruct the entire New Testament from their writings alone. There were millions of man-hours spent in cross-checking the manuscripts. There remains only 1 percent of all New Testament words about which questions still exist; no questionable passage contradicts any Bible teaching.

    The Old Testament has been more accurately transmitted to us than any other ancient writing of comparable age. The textual evidence is greater for both the Old and New Testaments than any other historically reliable ancient document. The ancient scribes were very meticulous. There were only 1,200 variant readings in A.D. 500.

    The Masorites produced an official text in A.D. 500. There are other versions that confirm the accuracy of the Masoritic Text.

    Samaritan Pentateuch: 400 B.C.
    Septuagint Greek: 280 B.C.
    Dead Sea Scrolls: 0 A.D.
    Latin Vulgate: 400 A.D.

    The quotations from pre-Christian writing confirm the text. The New Testament accepts the Old Testament as authentic, confirming the traditional authors, quoting from at least 320 different passages, and confirming the supernatural events cited in the Old Testament."

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  18. "it’s totally TRUE, but just ask yourself why??" - Because Muslims recognized that there were discrepancies between the Bible and the Qu'ran and had to come up with an adequate explanation.

    "ALLAH is GOD the Creator, Not Jesus, NOT Buddha, NOT Krishna.." - You are correct in saying that Buddha and Krishna are not the Creator, but that is where it ends. For one, Buddha never claimed to be God, he simply claimed that he had a way to cope with pain and suffering in the world. I disagree that Allah is Creator, because Allah was a pagan moon god, who, in Meccan legend, was married to the sun goddess. Though it has been claimed that no external source was used for the Qu'ran, evidence of cultural influence can be found in such places as Suras 55, 72, 113 and 114. Allah and the sun goddess produced three children, whom Muhammad at one point condoned. History says that the crescent moon symbol of Arabia came from Allah, the moon god. As for Jesus, why do you not believe Jesus is God?

    (I know I am misquoting this last part) - "please answer if he was really dead or not dead..." - See my entries: http://thetruth-blog.blogspot.com/2011/04/did-jesus-really-die-or-did-he-faint.html , http://thetruth-blog.blogspot.com/2011/04/how-did-jesus-die.html , http://thetruth-blog.blogspot.com/2011/04/did-disciples-steal-body-of-jesus.html , and other entries in the month of April. Yes, Jesus did die, and the only logical explanation is His resurrection.

    "About John 10:13, the story is really corrupted and if you want read it on Baranabas Gospel which is the most authentic Bible for Jesus Christ, the chapter 10 in John is actually from chapter number 156 to chapter #: 206 if you want to read the real story.." - For one, I was quoting John 10:30, not John 10:13. Honest mistake, I understand. As for the Barnabas gospel, that is the farthest from the truth. It is claimed in the Gospel of Barnabas that Judas took on the appearance of Jesus and was mistakenly crucified in His place. It also claims that Jesus told His mother and disciples that He had not been crucified. It also claims that the Messiah was descended from Ishmael, not Isaac. It is well-quoted by Muslims wanting to prove Islam, but has been found that it was written in medival times, long after Christ. See www.answering-islam.org/Nehls/Answer/barnabas.html

    "Note, I will post our debate on my blog too." - That's fine, however, I would appreciate requesting first next time. By all means though, go right ahead. I don't mind.

    I apologize if at any point I came off in a negative fashion, that isn't the intention. I know you believe Islam is true and just want to help me. But I'm sorry, I simply disagree, and have many reasons why. Again I pose a request: read through the New Testament. Not added books, just 27 books.

    Take care, and God bless.
    -Troy Hillman-

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  19. My Friend Troy,

    Thanks again for your reply, and there is no need to apologize for not replying immediately, we all busy in life too.

    1- Big bang Theory

    I read your article about the “big bang” and actually I didn’t find any scientific evidence that you used to defeat the measuring of light generated from big bang, you actually used the following logic only:

    - If the scientific theory contradict with Bible then it’s wrong !!

    Actually, we “muslims” put 4 options NOT only the above one in case we face the same issue, that’s to say: if Quran contradicts with any scientific facts then we have the following possibilities:

    - Our understanding of the Quranic words is wrong, and we did not interrupt them correctly.
    - Or our understanding of the scientific fact is wrong.
    - Or matching between the verse and scientific fact is wrong.
    - Or the scientific fact is only theory and is not correct.

    In all your argument, you are using the 4th option and the only one, that big bang is wrong, although the bible proved in Genesis in first creation story that God created the Light, and this light is the one that appeared after the “Great splitting” which is mentioned in Quran or what is called scientifically “The big bang”.

    If you want to choose your explanation to Bible words as you like, and refuse all scientific studies and researches that we are able to date this light as 13.7 billion years old with +/- 0.2 bn years error, then as I said to you it’s your choice, but please allow me to comment the following:

    Such behavior from Christians scholars is what causing the increase of Atheists count in the world, and especially from Christians background, with all the Atheists that I was debating with almost over 98% of them were Christians and the problem was the understanding of Genesis story and how it contradicts with science, 2% were of muslim background and they thought that some verses of Quran contradict with science and after I explain it to them they admit that they were wrong and some wants to pray again immediately..
    You choose the best for you, and my article of creation in 6 days from bible and Quran offers you a free service and honestly I send it to many Christians sites, and some send me a thanks message and “God bless you too”.

    2- The “Day” duration

    You still insist that day is 23 hours and 56 minutes, although it’s not mentioned exactly in the bible, but it’s your understanding, with some research you’ll see that Earth spinning was faster million of years before, and it’s slowing now every century, but you don’t believe that our Earth is more than 7000 years, so I can’t use this to reply to you, but I will ask you the following:

    You agree with me that creating all the universe with its planets, stars, Sun, Earth, moon, mountains, oceans, rivers, etc… in 6 days of 23 hours and 56 minutes, means doing it very fast and not to stick to any of physics law, it will be just a miracle from God since it’s done so fast in 6 days = 143.59 hours only,
    So what is the point ??

    Why not doing it all in less than 1 second, why to take 143.59 hours ?? what is the point?
    There is nothing behind, we can’t learn anything from such process so why not to be done in 1 second then?

    My friend Troy,

    In Islam, GOD creates the elements and put the rules and create the reasons, then they work together as ALLAH plans:

    Create The Elements + Put the Rules + Initiate the Causes + Set the Plan = Creation (or Action, Events, etc..)

    Also, ALLAH commends clearly in Quran to search and look and discover how he created the Universe, he is asking us to learn, ALLAH says:

    Say (O Muhammad): Travel in the land and see how He originated creation, then Allah bringeth forth the later growth. Lo! Allah is Able to do all things. [29:20]

    To be Continued..

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  20. 3- God and Trinity

    You said that God is like a pyramid: Father + Son + Spirit

    I just want to ask you from where did you get that?

    Did God mention it in the Old Testament? THE Answer is NO, on the contrary he mentioned the following and stressed that he is ONE and incomparable to anything, God says:

    10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
    11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
    12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God. [Isaiah 43:10-12]

    3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
    4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
    5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God. [Exodus 20:3-5]

    2nd question, did Jesus ever said it in the Bible, the new Testament? THE Answer is NO too..

    On the contrary, he stressed that GOD is ONE only and many times, as following:
    "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me." [John 5:30]

    “And he said unto him, ‘Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.’" [Mathew 19:16-17]

    32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
    33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
    34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question. [Mark 12:32-34]

    3rd Question, Did you ever find in Old Testament that any of the prophet said that God has a Son and he is coming?

    The answer is NO, and there is NONE.

    Q4- What did ALLAH say about Trinity?

    They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the third of three; when there is no Allah save the One Allah. If they desist not from so saying a painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve. [5:73]

    Q5- How did he describe himself in Quran?

    The same mentioned in Old Testament above:

    Say (O Muhammad (SAW)): "He is Allâh, (the) One (1)
    Allâh the Self-Sufficient Master (2)
    "He begets not, nor was He begotten (3)
    "And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him." (4) [112]

    4- The Billions copies of Quran

    I don’t see any contradiction ever, I meant billions of “Original” copies, means they are all the same letter by letter rather than word by word..

    About all the ancient copies of bible, I will like to ask you, so why you don’t believe in old transcripts that confirm that Jesus is only a prophet and messenger from God too, please check the following:

    Older Manuscripts found in Palestine says that

    Jesus Christ (A) is NOT a God!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkbv37ztOoU&feature=related

    The Lost Gospels: http://www.mcdebate.com/mcd2/

    To be continued..

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  21. 5- About the corruption happened?

    You said the following:

    [- Because Muslims recognized that there were discrepancies between the Bible and the Qu'ran and had to come up with an adequate explanation.]

    I didn’t understand you clearly, you accuse Muslims that they corrupted your BIBLE?? Is it true ??

    I don’t think it’s logic, why we need to corrupt the Bible, and who among muslim can do such things, and you know how muslims are forbidden to enter churches and imagine Christians allow such things, and why to corrupt it so they don’t include the name of their prophet in the Bible?? is this logic?

    6- ALLAH is the God and the Creator.

    About the fairy tale that you mentioned about the Moon God, I really felt sorry to read your words, I thought you are much educated and experienced and won’t believe such claims on Islam, although you told me that you have Quran but it seems that you never read it, ALLAH is the God who revealed to all Prophets from Adam, Noah, Ibrahim, Mosses, David, Solomon, till Jesus and Muhammad.

    Quoted From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah

    “The term Allāh is derived from a contraction of the Arabic definite article al- "the" and ʼilāh "deity, god" to al-lāh meaning "the [sole] deity, God". Cognates of the name "Allāh" exist in other Semitic languages, including Hebrew and Aramaic. Biblical Hebrew mostly uses the plural form (but functional singular) Elohim. The corresponding Aramaic form is ʼĔlāhā ܐܠܗܐ in Biblical Aramaic and ʼAlâhâ ܐܲܠܵܗܵܐ in Syriac.”

    And it was used by Jesus himself when talking about GOD, please hear it by yourself in the following scene of Passion the Christ, he calls THE God by “ALLAH” too.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RbVt8Us8aY

    7- Barnabas Bible

    This also a lie that: Barnabas bible was written by muslims !!

    My friend, we are talking on medieval times and the first Arab who wrote a book in Italian was last year and he was rewarded for this, the Barnabas was found in Italian language inside Vatican library, so which Arab or muslim will enter inside and put such book inside, and the book was found by a priest who translated it later on to Spanish and the one who translated it to Arabic, is also a Christian Arab..

    Muslims were forbidden to read from the Bible rather to write it (unless they want to debate with non muslims), or to invent and why we need to lie?? Islam is propagating like Fire, muslims were able to conquer the whole Mediterranean sea Area in less than 70 areas, almost the same area that took 1000 years from Roman Empire to conquer, can you imagine that !!

    Not only that, but Muslims reached China borders in the East and Russian borders in North and all Eastern African shores and East Asia, all before the discovery of this bible.
    So after that, muslims being forbidden to read the Bible and to concentrate on Quran only, they don’t lie especially in Religion ( it will bigger sin), they are doing fine without it already, European were using the Arabic language and they were studying in Arab universities in Spain to learn medicine and chemistry and mathematics.

    Finally, as last evidence, just open it and read it, read it from start till end, it’ll take 2 days, you can differentiate between God’s words and Novel writer or history writers, just read it and imagine who can write such words, just try and send me your feedback..
    But believe me, you will never found a Muslim or non muslim on whole Earth who can imagine such words or Jesus speeches that are written in Barnabas.

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  22. 8- Jesus didn’t die on cross:

    I wish that you read the article that I forwarded it to you, but I just want to give you a hint, when a crossed body is hanged for 3 hours, the heart pulse is stopped already, blood vessels are widen and blood goes down to the feet, how come that when a soldier wanted to remove him from cross, stabbed him under his lungs, the blood poured off in his face !!

    Please read the article when you have time or ask someone to read it, wish that you can send me your comments:

    Q- Was Jesus Really Crucified?
    http://debatewithachristian.blogspot.com/2010/12/q-was-jesus-really-crucified.html

    9- Posting on my blog

    It’s an open debate on internet and not in a closed room and everyone is reading it, so I’d like to have this privilege too on my site, but I kept your name Anonymous as (priest), you can check it on
    http://debatewithachristian.blogspot.com

    10- Yes, I care…

    Do I really want to help you? Yes but not for yourself particularly..

    it’s for me in the first place, I don’t know you personally, but saving anyone from hellfire is best of the good deeds that ALLAH reward the muslims for, I won’t get anything from you or from anyone else if you’ve been saved and entered the paradise in the afterlife, but I will be rewarded from God for such good deed (in God’s will), and this what I am looking for ..

    Allah says: about the pious and righteous people

    They (are those who) fulfill (their) vows, and they fear a Day whose evil will be wide-spreading. (7)
    And they give food, inspite of their love for it (or for the love of Him), to the poor, the orphan, and the captive, (8)
    (Saying): "We feed you seeking Allâh's Countenance only. We wish for no reward, nor thanks from you. (9)
    "Verily, We fear from our Lord a Day, hard and distressful, that will make the faces look horrible (from extreme dislike to it)." (10)
    So Allâh saved them from the evil of that Day, and gave them Nadhrah (a light of beauty) and joy. (11)
    And their recompense shall be Paradise, and silken garments, because they were patient. (12) [The-Man 76]
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  23. Finally, I know you are a well educated man and you have enough knowledge to differentiate between God words and devil words or human words, knowing prophet Muhammad was illiterate man and can’t say poem too, so please check again the holy Quran, you can access it from the following website

    http://Quran.com

    choose any chapter or any page and read it, then think who could ever write such words, except he is really the God, nobody else, compare it with whatever you want from writings whether Novel or historian writers, or do just a simple example and try to write a 1 page similar to Quran by your own, can you?

    I pasted some of the verses from chapter (2), a speech to the Jews who didn’t believe in prophet Muhammad, although they immigrated to Madina because they expected a prophet to come from that area, but when they found him being Arab “Ishmaels”, they denied him,

    Please read what ALLAH said to them:

    And when there came to them (the Jews), a Book (this Qur'ân) from Allâh confirming what is with them [the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)], although aforetime they had invoked Allâh (for coming of Muhammad Peace be upon him ) in order to gain victory over those who disbelieved, then when there came to them that which they had recognised, they disbelieved in it. So let the Curse of Allâh be on the disbelievers. (89)
    How bad is that for which they have sold their ownselves, that they should disbelieve in that which Allâh has revealed (the Qur'ân), grudging that Allâh should reveal of His Grace unto whom He wills of His slaves. So they have drawn on themselves wrath upon wrath. And for the disbelievers, there is disgracing torment. (90)
    And when it is said to them (the Jews), "Believe in what Allâh has sent down," they say, "We believe in what was sent down to us." And they disbelieve in that which came after it, while it is the truth confirming what is with them. Say (O Muhammad Peace be upon him to them): "Why then have you killed the Prophets of Allâh aforetime, if you indeed have been believers?" (91)
    And indeed Mûsa (Moses) came to you with clear proofs, yet you worshipped the calf after he left, and you were Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong-doers). (92)
    And (remember) when We took your covenant and We raised above you the Mount Al-Tour (saying), "Hold firmly to what We have given you and hear (Our Word). They said, "We have heard and disobeyed." And their hearts absorbed (the worship of) the calf because of their disbelief. Say: "Worst indeed is that which your faith enjoins on you if you are believers." (93)
    Say to (them): "If the home of the Hereafter with Allâh is indeed for you specially and not for others, of mankind, then long for death if you are truthful." (94)
    But they will never long for it because of what their hands have sent before them (i.e. what they have done). And Allâh is All-Aware of the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong-doers) (95)
    And verily, you will find them (the Jews) the greediest of mankind for life and (even greedier) than those who ascribe partners to Allâh (and do not believe in Resurrection - Majus, pagans, and idolaters). Everyone of them wishes that he could be given a life of a thousand years. But the grant of such life will not save him even a little from (due) punishment. And Allâh is All-Seer of what they do. (96) [Chapter 2]

    Take care,

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  24. Abdallah,
    There were so many comments that my filter marked them all as spam. Regardless, I read through your comments, and before I continue, I need to point out a few things:
    1) No matter how many times I may say it, I'll say it once more: the belief in an old universe came from secular ideas, not Christian. You may believe that science PROVES an old universe, but science does not prove either an old or a young universe, it only proves that we have a universe, that it had a beginning, and that it will have an end. Empirical science is true science.
    2) Why are you using the Bible to argue against the Bible? This is a fallacy, and contradictory. You claim that the Bible is corrupted, yet you quote it as if you believed it was not. Either you believe it is corrupted, or you do not. If so, which parts are corrupted? It appears only the parts that agree with Islam. Regardless, the Bible IS NOT corrupted, it is the true Word of God.
    Now, I will attempt to answer your questions, but I will be candid, I found much of it to be disjointed. 1- Big bang Theory. On the contrary, I did use science in my article. If you seek more, see: http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers#/topic/astrophysics
    You insist that the Biblical Young Creation contradicts science, yet I still have not seen how it contradicts EMPIRICAL science in any way. I am nearly to the point of being insulted that you believe I ignore ALL scientific research. I will state one last time: science is science. Creationism is science, Evolution is science. They are two distinct interpretations of what science tells us. I personally believe that Evolution is impossible, and that Creation is the only logical explanation. As for the reason that Christian's understanding is declining, it is because many do not stand on God's infallible Word, but on man's fallible theories. Once the foundation of Genesis falls apart, so too does the rest of the Bible.
    2- The “Day” duration. The "fact" of the earth's rotation is based on uniformitarian assumptions. This is the belief that, as Peter mentions in the New Testament, all things have been as they were at Creation. You cannot simply state that (I do not mean you specifically) that all things have continued as they were. We find no evidence for this, because things are "winding down." Why did God take 6 days and not 1 second? First off, why do you insist that he took billions of years? Why not 1 second? Second, Exodus answers this: "For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but He rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy." God created in six days and rested on the seventh because He knew it would form the basis for our seven-day week. Medical studies have found that working for six days and resting for one is actually a good thing. It makes perfect sense why God would take six days, and not just one second.
    "You said that God is like a pyramid: Father + Son + Spirit. I just want to ask you from where did you get that? Did God mention it in the Old Testament? THE Answer is NO, on the contrary he mentioned the following and stressed that he is ONE and incomparable to anything..." - That is a universal negative. If you can state "NO," as an absolute, why would you bother asking the question? I found this in both the Old and the New Testament. It is not difficult to find. The Holy Spirit is mentioned all throughout Scripture, both in the Old and the New (even in Genesis 1:2), Jesus appears as the angel (messenger) of God, the Commander of God's Army, etc. He appears to Moses in the burning bush, to Manoah and his wife, to Gideon, to Joshua, in the furnace with the three men, etc. The New Testament also stresses that God is ONE. The pyramid analogy is merely something I use to help others understand the Trinity. If you still disagree, perhaps this will help: http://gotquestions.org/Trinity-Bible.html

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  25. "did Jesus ever said it in the Bible, the new Testament? THE Answer is NO too.." - Again, you are making an absolute statement. Logically speaking, this is a self-defeating statement, because you are attempting to use the Bible... to argue against the Bible... even though you do not believe the Bible. John 5:30 - This is because, as Philippians points out, Jesus had to give up part of his ability as God to enter into Creation. Once he ascended into Heaven, he regained his full deity. Therefore, while Jesus was on Earth, He obeyed whatever the Father told Him, since He was slightly limited. Also, why use a quote in which Jesus calls God "Father," if He also stated He was the "Son," and Islam believes He is not?
    “And he said unto him, ‘Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.’" [Mathew 19:16-17] - "It is often claimed by those who reject the deity of Christ that in Mark 10:17-22 Jesus denies His divinity by rejecting the notion that He is good. It reads as follows:
    “As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. ‘Good teacher,’ he asked, ‘what must I do to inherit eternal life?’ ‘Why do you call me good?’ Jesus answered. ‘No one is good – except God alone. You know the commandments: Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, do not defraud, honor your father and mother.’ ‘Teacher,’ he declared, ‘all these I have kept since I was a boy.’ Jesus looked at him and loved him. ‘One thing you lack,’ he said. ‘Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.’ At this, the man’s face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.”
    Is Jesus here rebuking the man for calling Him good and thereby denying His deity? No. Rather, He is using a penetrating question to push the man to think through the implications of his own words, to understand the concept of Jesus’ goodness and, most especially, the man’s lack of goodness. The young ruler "went away sad" (Mark 10:22) because he realized that although he had devoted himself to keeping the commandments, he had failed to keep the first and greatest of the commandments—love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength (Matthew 22:37-38). The man’s riches were of more worth to him than God, and thus he was not "good" in the eyes of God.
    Jesus’ fundamental lesson here is that goodness flows not from a man’s deeds, but rather from God Himself. Jesus invites the man to follow Him, the only means of doing good by God’s ultimate standard. Jesus describes to the young ruler what it means to follow Him—to be willing to give up everything, thus putting God first. When one considers that Jesus is drawing a distinction between man’s standard of goodness and God’s standard, it becomes clear that following Jesus is good. The command to follow Christ is the definitive proclamation of Christ’s goodness. Thus, by the very standard Jesus is exhorting the young ruler to adopt, Jesus is good. And it necessarily follows that if Jesus is indeed good by this standard, Jesus is implicitly declaring His deity.

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  26. "(continued) Thus, Jesus’ question to the man is designed not to deny His deity, but rather to draw the man to recognize Christ’s divine identity. Such an interpretation is substantiated by passages such as John 10:11 wherein Jesus declares Himself to be “the good shepherd.” Similarly in John 8:46, Jesus asks, “Can any of you prove me guilty of sin?” Of course the answer is "no." Jesus was “without sin” (Hebrews 4:15), holy and undefiled (Hebrews 7:26), the only One who “knew no sin” (2 Corinthians 5:21).
    The logic can thus be summarized as follows:
    1: Jesus claims only God is good.
    2: Jesus claims to be good.
    3: Therefore, Jesus claims to be God.
    Such a claim makes perfect sense in light of the flow of Mark’s narrative with regards to the unfolding revelation of Jesus’ real identity. It is only before the high priest in Mark 14:62 when the question of Jesus’ identity is explicitly clarified. The story of the rich young ruler is one in a sequence of stories designed to point readers toward Jesus’ self-understanding as the eternal, divine, incarnate Son of God."
    "3rd Question, Did you ever find in Old Testament that any of the prophet said that God has a Son and he is coming? The answer is NO, and there is NONE." - Forgive me if I do not readily agree. Take Psalm 2 for example. "He said to me: You are my son; today I have become your father." See also: Proverbs 30:4, Luke 1:32, Matthew 3:1.
    "Q4- What did ALLAH say about Trinity?" - This question is irrelevant, because I am not Muslim. "Q5- How did he describe himself in Quran?" - Also irrelevant, because I believe the Qu'ran was written by man, with no divine aid.
    "4- The Billions copies of Quran - About all the ancient copies of bible, I will like to ask you, so why you don’t believe in old transcripts that confirm that Jesus is only a prophet and messenger from God too, please check the following" - Then may I ask you why you do not accept the documents which state that Allah is not a god?
    "5- About the corruption happened? You said the following: [- Because Muslims recognized that there were discrepancies between the Bible and the Qu'ran and had to come up with an adequate explanation.] I didn’t understand you clearly, you accuse Muslims that they corrupted your BIBLE?? Is it true ??" - I apologize for not being clear, Abdallah. I was not accusing Muslims of corrupting the Bible. I was saying that the Bible did not agree with the Qu'ran, thus, an explanation was formulated that the Bible was corrupt, and that the Qu'ran was the Word of God. That's what I was saying.
    "I don’t think it’s logic, why we need to corrupt the Bible, and who among muslim can do such things, and you know how muslims are forbidden to enter churches and imagine Christians allow such things, and why to corrupt it so they don’t include the name of their prophet in the Bible?? is this logic?" - Muslims didn't, because the Bible isn't corrupt. Who among the muslim can do such things? Consider: simply because someone is a Muslim does not mean that they are devout. It does not mean they do not lie. It does not mean they do not kill. Likewise with anyone else. We are all human, infallible, sin-corrupted humans, regardless of our beliefs.

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  27. "About the fairy tale that you mentioned about the Moon God, I really felt sorry to read your words, I thought you are much educated and experienced and won’t believe such claims on Islam, although you told me that you have Quran but it seems that you never read it, ALLAH is the God who revealed to all Prophets from Adam, Noah, Ibrahim, Mosses, David, Solomon, till Jesus and Muhammad." - Merely because I own a copy does not mean I believe it. Yahweh is God, who revealed Himself to the men and women of the Bible. I have done much research into the topic, history is on the side of Allah having been the name of the moon god, as is archaeology.
    "And it was used by Jesus himself when talking about GOD, please hear it by yourself in the following scene of Passion the Christ, he calls THE God by “ALLAH” too." - This proves nothing. Allah was, as you mentioned, the Arabic name for God. Here, however, it is not used in the same context that Muslims believe. The Passion of the Christ is about the death and resurrection of Christ, why would this be quoted as evidence, if it disagrees with Islam?
    "This also a lie that: Barnabas bible was written by muslims !!" - I never said that it was. I merely stated that Muslims love to use the Barnabas Gospel to support their beliefs. "they don’t lie especially in Religion" - Almost everyone I know, at one point or another in his or her life, has lied. As mentioned earlier, just because someone is Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, etc does not mean they do not lie. People will lie, steal, cheat, and kill to get what they want. History proves this.
    "Finally, as last evidence, just open it and read it, read it from start till end, it’ll take 2 days, you can differentiate between God’s words and Novel writer or history writers, just read it and imagine who can write such words, just try and send me your feedback..
    But believe me, you will never found a Muslim or non muslim on whole Earth who can imagine such words or Jesus speeches that are written in Barnabas. " - I've read some pretty extraordinary novels. If you claim this as evidence, permit me to use the same argument: find one person who believes that the words found in the New Testament can be written by someone other than God. It's possible. The argument has many holes.
    "8- Jesus didn’t die on cross: I wish that you read the article that I forwarded it to you, but I just want to give you a hint, when a crossed body is hanged for 3 hours, the heart pulse is stopped already, blood vessels are widen and blood goes down to the feet, how come that when a soldier wanted to remove him from cross, stabbed him under his lungs, the blood poured off in his face!!" - Did you take the time to read the articles that I wrote? Besides this, if you do not believe that Jesus died on the cross and instead believe it was Judas, why then do you argue as if Jesus was the one on the cross? And it says that blood and water poured out of his side, not his face. Even under the conditions you mention, death is still certain. Jesus was dead, and the only logical explanation that explains the empty tomb is his physical resurrection.
    "9- Posting on my blog. It’s an open debate on internet and not in a closed room and everyone is reading it, so I’d like to have this privilege too on my site, but I kept your name Anonymous as (priest)..." - You can find a lot on the web. From pirated movies to full-text books, all for the public to see and read, to watch and hear. Simply because it is out there for others to see does not mean that the material can be copied without the permission of those involved - or cited. If you cited my website, then I do not mind at all. But please cite your source, if you have not already. Frankly, I do not mind at all that you posted our replies, Abdallah, it was merely a matter of citation I was concerned about.

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  28. I apologize if I missed something in my reply, did not intend to gloss over anything. But again, I ask you, have you read the New Testament from start to finish? I will read the whole Qu'ran, since I have not read it all, this I concede. However, my mind will not be changed, I will forever remain loyal to my Savior and Lord, Jesus Christ, God the Son. I appreciate your replies, Abdallah, and I understand you are trying to help, but I need you to understand that I am trying to help is wrong. Perhaps the question that needs to be asked is this: no matter how much you may deny it, consider, if Jesus truly did rise from the dead, and if He really is God the Son, what would that mean for you?
    Thank you for your time, I apologize for my reply being so disjointed. God bless.
    -Troy Hillman-

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